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12-08-2022 10:26 PM

00:17:28 Zuri Obado: Sure thing! Thank you!
00:22:06 Susan Lawrenz-Smith: How are the two campuses at UMN combining? Will there be only 1 admissions committee
00:23:06 Dimple Patel: We are working through this currently. We have always worked together and have reported up to one overarching admissions committee.
00:24:54 Bre Koch: Does Tulane have a required amount of volunteer hours in admissions, or are you simply looking for volunteer engagement?
00:25:48 Michael Woodson: No required hours but the main things is the meaningful volunteer engagement.
00:27:29 Susan Lawrenz-Smith: Does UMn and Rutgers priority pool for state residents?
00:27:58 Dimple Patel: UMN does prioritize MN residents.
00:28:22 Ryan Gray, MD: Are any of you using AI/ML models to screen applications. If so, what is it looking at?
00:28:28 Liesel Copeland: For RWJMS - we will always be at least 50% NJ and are trying to increase out of state; currently we are at 70% NJ
00:28:43 Liesel Copeland: RJWMS - No AI for us
00:29:00 Dimple Patel: NO AI at UMN.
00:29:13 Michael Woodson: No AI at TUSOM
00:29:30 Ryan Gray, MD: Thanks
00:29:53 Ryan Gray, MD: 🤣
00:29:55 Susan Lawrenz-Smith: Use of SJT tests for secondary?
00:30:15 Tiffany Bumpers: Sorry about that...from Northwestern!
00:30:51 Liesel Copeland: Yes RWJMS uses SJT during holistic review (part of secondary) but does not use it in final decision
00:31:06 Christian Essman: No AI. Talking with real AI/Big data experts they have indicated to us that we really don't have the kind of big data that would really be effective in AI.
00:31:21 Renata Gutierrez: Tulane mentioned no AI reviewing applications; what about the others?
00:31:42 Christian Essman: Tiffany - 😜
00:31:56 Liesel Copeland: None of us use AI/ML 🙂
00:32:18 Misty Huacuja-LaPointe (she/her): @Renata - all have said no AI so far (scroll up!) ☺️
00:32:34 Christian Essman: No SJT at CWRU. Haven't decided yet if we will use SJT for 23-24... we'll decide soon.
00:33:48 Laura Hetzler: Hi Liesel - at some point, would you be able to provide more information about using SJTs in the secondaries but not in final decision.
00:34:20 Deborah Gutman: Is anyone actually using the DUET portion of Altus (Acuity) assessments or plan to use it?
00:34:38 Misty Huacuja-LaPointe (she/her): @Laura - I'm making a note of that question for the Q&A portion.
00:35:15 Liesel Copeland: @Deborah - I am curious to run Duet with my faculty to see what would result, but we are not using it and don’t currently have plans to use it
00:37:33 Regina Schurman: I'm curious on how you are able to manage going thru thousands of applications which no doubt meet many of your criteria and then figure out which applicants to invite for interviews.
00:37:33 Deborah Gutman: @Liesel Thank you. Does seem like it would be interesting but likely filter out desirable candidates.
00:38:38 Misty Huacuja-LaPointe (she/her): @Regina - great question! I'll add it to the questions for Q&A since this probably requires a longer answer than a couple of sentences. 😁
00:38:58 Christian Essman: Regina - Good question. It's not easy. I was going to suggest bringing that up at the Q&A too.
00:42:31 Emil Chuck: what ways can non residents express their sincere interest in being admitted to a public/state program?
00:43:11 Emil Chuck: or a specific track (for private programs)?
00:43:28 Shawna Naidu: Given the situation that many are qualified or over-qualified, when is "Too late" to submit an application
00:44:14 John Buckley: Thank you to the panelists and Zuri for hosting. I'm curious about how your admission committees are considering historically underrepresented students in the admissions process, particularly those who may not meet average admitted metrics exactly but who have strong cocurricular backgrounds and service orientations.
00:44:15 Ryan Gray, MD: We see law schools dropping their participation in USNWR, which is fantastic. What are those conversations happening at medical schools?
00:45:58 Susan Lawrenz-Smith: Can you elaborate on when in the process you read the letters?
00:46:15 Varinia Grannum: How much weight DO LORs carry when there can be so much subjectivity to them?
00:46:46 Varinia Grannum: Emphasis on “do” not doctor of osteopathy
00:46:54 John Buckley: ^^Same question regarding interviews.
00:46:57 Misty Huacuja-LaPointe (she/her): Thank you for the questions everyone! I am keeping track of them and we'll try to answer all of them as we have time. So feel free to keep adding them!
00:47:55 Sally Fell: How do evaluation criteria change for MD/PhD candidates, versus MD?
00:47:58 Susan Lawrenz-Smith: How do all of you feel about capping the number of schools a student can apply to—this would encourage a closer evaluation of each school and would reduce the number adcoms have to read.
00:48:24 Ryan Gray, MD: We say it’s not about the “what,” it’s the “so what”
00:48:36 Varinia Grannum: yesss
00:48:46 Rachel Grubbs: This information would be so helpful for students to hear first hand. Will this be published to YouTube later?
00:48:46 Deborah Gutman: 👆This. Or a token system like they are adding to residency applications to prevent the increasing volume of applications to more schools
00:48:49 Jennifer shendock: What does a re-applicant need to do to stand out from a strong cohort of new candidates?
00:48:55 Misty Huacuja-LaPointe (she/her): Given the situation that many are qualified or over-qualified, when is "Too late" to submit an application? Are you leaving space in your interviews for students who apply closer to the application deadline for equal consideration as the earliest applicants? Especially as we know students who are disadvantaged are often those applying later.
00:50:16 Emil Chuck: In refence to the title of this talk, what step does your admissions team feel you can make more transparent for all applicants so they don't feel so "ghosted" or ignored? (Apologies if this is already lined up in the Q&A.)
00:50:35 Deborah Gutman: Can’t edit my earlier comment but the token system for ERAS is to reduce number of programs applied to or “flag” programs they are most interested in
00:51:13 Susan Lawrenz-Smith: Yes Emil—that is a great point—can schools notify for rejections earlier or at least be transparent about true deadline vs theoretical
00:51:25 Katrina Keil: Agreed with Emil and Susan!
00:51:35 Erin Neal: How do each of your schools evaluate students enrolled in postbacs/SMPs while going through the application process? Do you prefer they wait to apply until after the programs are completed?
00:51:36 Gabriela Jakubowska: ^echoing that sentiment too
00:51:43 Marc Counterman: What are your medical schools doing to improve access to first-generation students? Would you encourage them to consider the disadvantaged statement if they feel so?
00:51:55 Jennifer Ericson: Can you give me insight into update letters and interest letters? Do those make a difference for your school?
00:52:00 Jennifer Ericson: me=more
00:53:01 MJ Shroyer (she/her) Grinnell College: I'm also interested in the update/interest letter question.
00:53:35 Rob Harrington: +1 to update letter question!
00:53:56 Christian Essman: Erin - I'm a big advocate of advising SMP/MS students to apply at least after their first year of the program. Otherwise, we don't see any grades if they are applying before the program even began. They're spending an awful lot of money for these programs, I think they should make it pay off by having their grades on their application vs. "in process".
00:54:13 Deidre Campbell: That was my question too Jennifer. Very interested to know if it's influential at all, earlier rather than later.
00:54:32 Ryan Gray, MD: Yes! Please be more transparent with rolling admissions timelines. So many students aren’t aware and throw away money.
00:54:46 Julie McNair: When to apply: when you’re ready! The question you all are answering is what ‘ready’ actually means at your institutions
00:56:15 Christian Essman: LOInterest at CWRU - We don't accept updates or letters of interest from applicants unless they are invited to interview. Opening up this option would open the flood gates to applicants uploading more documents and we already have more than enough information in AMCAS + 2nd app + Letters of rec to render a decision. Accepting LOinterest/updates would only slow down the review process even more. It can take a long time to read an application as it is...
00:57:39 Gregory Johnson: In light of the reality that not all applicants are able to secure a committee letter, can you speak about the value of committee letters in your admissions process. If you do value these letters what characteristic(s) of these letters are useful to the admissions process. Anything in particular that is not useful.
00:57:41 Deborah Gutman: There needs to be a more democratized way to update schools. If they are swayed by letters it seems like it is incorporating bias into the process for students who are “in the know” about updating schools or sending letters of interest.
00:57:46 Dimple Patel: At UMN we only accept update letters at the point of interview. We do not accept letters of continuing interest.
00:58:14 Liesel Copeland: Updates/letter of interest at RWJMS .. we do accept them .. they can help us know you actually are interested din us (but once a month is too many). Influence is before invite for interview or if you are in our high priority list
01:00:57 Christian Essman: Marc - First Gen - I would recommend that those students use the "Disadvantaged" section in AMCAS. Although, AMCAS is modifying it in 23-24. AMCAS also indicates for us if the applicant is considered First Gen.
01:02:12 Marc Counterman: Thanks Christian - I will need to brush up on the new changes on that section for next cycle.
01:02:45 Tahnee Prokopow: Thanks for the heads up Christian!
01:03:29 Dimple Patel: Agreed Christian. Holistic review takes a lot of time.
01:05:22 Katrina Keil: I heard two changes coming to the AMCAS application for 2023. 1) a new experience category of Social Justice/Advocacy, and 2) the disadvantaged essay will now be called “Other Impactful Experiences” but we don’t know the exact prompt yet.
01:05:55 Deborah Gutman: Where are these future AMCAS changes available to learn about?
01:06:22 Liesel Copeland: AMMC is going to post those changes soon - let me see if I can find if the are up
01:06:30 Celeste Crowe: My understanding is that the AMCAS updates have not been made public yet.
01:06:52 Bre Koch: Do you all send out rejection letters throughout the application cycle as you review applicants, or do you wait until the end of the cycle?
01:07:12 Janet Snoyer: University of Michigan does a great job of communicating regularly and with transparency to applicants. They are a model for admissions offices everywhere.
01:07:37 Ryan Gray, MD: Yes please!
01:07:46 Dimple Patel: At UMN we send them out every few weeks pre interview. Post interview decisions, including rejections, are being sent out on designated dates throughout the cycle.
01:07:55 Liesel Copeland: In between - we send out first round of rejections after our first round of accepts (December) and then again after next round of accepts, and then in March
01:08:04 Susan Lawrenz-Smith: I wish all schools would get out the message that knowing someone is not going to help you. Students think if they know someone on the committee or when to the school that is an in.
01:08:06 Liesel Copeland: That is RWJMS
01:08:08 Deborah Gutman: What are the plans if affirmative action goes away?
01:08:14 Ryan Gray, MD: amen!
01:08:14 Christian Essman: Upcoming AMCAS changes:
01:08:17 Christian Essman: Several enhancements are being implemented that will have an impact on the AMCAS data you receive through the DES. These enhancements include: New Experience type of “Social Justice/Advocacy” in the AMCAS Web App Work/Activities section Biographic Information: “Other Impactful Experiences” replacing the self-reported “Disadvantaged Status” question Add categories (“Conduct” and/or “Academic”) as a dropdown within the existing Institutional Action question An optional field to indicate an upcoming Preview™️ exam and the date of the exam Merge AP, CL, and IB “Special Course Types” into one NEW course type (“Test and Experiential Credit”) in the AMCAS Web App Update to the “Other” labels for Pronoun and Gender Identity
01:08:44 Susan Lawrenz-Smith: At Dimple—are those dates posted and public?
01:10:02 Christian Essman: Debora - I think we're trying to prepare but will be waiting for guidance from our University's general counsel. Too many unknowns right now.... Very frustrating.
01:10:17 Dimple Patel: Yes our dates for post interview decision are on our website under application process/final decisions.
01:10:23 Irma Moreno: Thank you
01:10:25 Deborah Gutman: @Christian Thank you.
01:10:47 Jennifer Ericson: Are there plans to be more transparent about dates when decisions are sent to applicants on your website, about update letter/interest letter policies, and counts on the website how many interviews/acceptances/rejections that are regularly updated for applicants.
01:11:40 Stephanie Chervin: Thank you so much panelists! great session! Listening from the other U-M, Go Blue!
01:12:22 Lisa Thomas: There's another U of M???lol Go Gophers!
01:15:17 John Buckley: YES! And that all are trained in unconscious bias!
01:15:36 Jennifer Ericson: If there are two or more very similar/identical and very strong applicants, how do you decide who to interview and/or accept?
01:15:39 John Buckley: 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
01:15:52 Christian Essman: John - all our ad com and interviewers - faculty and med students have to go through unconscious bias training.
01:15:58 Liesel Copeland: Good point Dimple! Sure all our schools are increasing diversity among themselves
01:17:12 Deborah Gutman: Is this the MCAT validity study this one: Koenig J, Sireci SG, Wiley. Evaluating the predictive validity of MCAT scores across diverse applicant groups?
01:17:44 Liesel Copeland: A newer one -
01:17:51 Deborah Gutman: @Liesel. Thanks!
01:18:19 Liesel Copeland: Here is an article
01:18:20 Julie McNair: Reiterate earlier question thread: How do all of you feel about capping the number of schools a student can apply to—this would encourage a closer evaluation of each school and would reduce the number adcoms have to read.
01:19:05 Gabriela Jakubowska: Is the applicant at a disadvantage if their committee letter (with individual letters of recommendation) comes later? (say, 6 weeks after the school receives secondary from the applicant)
01:19:23 Liesel Copeland: There is a great last page for applicants about studying
01:20:09 Liesel Copeland: @Gabriela we wait for the three letters of committee letter to review; if a late one is sent we ask they give us a heads up so we can give reviewer heads up
01:20:51 Gabriela Jakubowska: @Liesel - thank you for that info
01:20:52 Liesel Copeland: Or committee — committee letter is not required at RWJMS
01:20:54 MJ Shroyer (she/her) Grinnell College: We advise them not to apply until the PB/MS is complete! Some are impatient. :)
01:21:33 Sherry P.: Thank you for this very insightful presentation.
01:21:44 Alyssa Perz: Is anyone considering reducing dependency on letters of recommendation from faculty? Premed classes are often large and remote learning made it tough for current cohorts of students to get to know faculty. I’ve heard this from one school because the faculty letters are not particularly helpful.
01:21:51 Gayla Adams-Wright: Will you provide examples of experiences that fit within your mission statements? I am trying to think through how to help students better understand the connection
01:22:12 Deborah Gutman: They are actually called “signals” - my mistake earlier
01:22:18 Erin Neal: Yes. We get mixed messages and can’t convince students to wait usually. So it’s good to hear directly from you! Thank you!
01:24:11 Deborah Gutman: The “signals” don’t limit the number of programs, they are just a form of “interest” - it is just a way of democratizing it because all students only get a certain number and everyone knows to use them - as opposed to letters of interest that are only done by students with advising or who are in the know
01:24:24 Julie McNair: Less income from fees for programs, less stress for all parties involved
01:24:37 Deborah Gutman: ERAS is doing it. Can still apply to 100 residencies but can “signal:” to 5 increased interest
01:24:39 Oona Ceder: We once had a re-applicant who applied to 101 schools in their second attempt (and was accepted to one!)
01:24:42 Liesel Copeland: @Deborah — it is an interesting idea and would love to learn from residency on how it’s working
01:25:48 Dija Selimi: Will schools continue to do interviews remotely. Our experience has been that students have been able to attend more interviews in a remote format because they don’t have the expense of travel
01:26:00 Tahnee Prokopow: Thank you to all of the panelists. This has been insightful.
01:26:25 Celeste Crowe: From what I see on twitter about residency signaling in this ERAS cycle, I think it's impact this year is mixed.
01:26:27 Susan Lawrenz-Smith: I would encourage all adcoms to post dates for decisions, when interviews are done, when rejections come out, etc. This would reduce the toxicity of SDN
01:26:31 Liesel Copeland: @Dija - this is a discussion and RWJMS is planning on continuing remote for fairness to applicants, but nationally an ongoing discussion
01:26:49 Dija Selimi: ^^^thank you!
01:26:56 Michael Woodson: TUSOM will continue with virtual interviews
01:26:58 John Buckley: What are your views on early acceptance as a possibility for students who may have a 3.0-3.5 GPAs and 500-510 MCAT/subsections that may be out of range for your particular program? Would it be better for them to cast a wide net or put all of their eggs in one basket?
01:27:14 Emil Chuck: there's always reddit @Susan. :)
01:27:20 Marc Counterman: It seemed to me like first-gen students demonstrate a lot of the competencies your schools look for :)
01:27:22 Deborah Gutman: @Celeste @Liesel Will be interesting to see how it works out.
01:27:54 Liesel Copeland: I strongly advise applicants to call and ask about early decision .. our interviews don’t begin until September so I encourage a wide net because I fear disadvantaging with a late decision for the applicant
01:28:23 Liesel Copeland: Other schools are different with early decision - so for RWJMS I prefer wide net
01:28:31 Christian Essman: CWRU - staying virtual. I think a lot of med schools are going to stay virtual.
01:28:35 John Buckley: @Liesel -- Thank you!
01:29:21 Laura Hetzler: AMEN!!!!! Thank you lol
01:29:48 Jill Harman: It was a dark and stormy
01:30:29 Tahnee Prokopow: ^^^^ true facts
01:30:35 Christine Remenih: I have to remind my bilingual students to mention that they speak additional languages!
01:30:45 Christian Essman: Christine - YES!
01:30:54 Dimple Patel: We are staying virtual for now.
01:31:10 Tahnee Prokopow: Often my students are ashamed of their disadvantaged status.
01:31:15 Emil Chuck: "dear admissions committee..."
01:31:22 Misty Huacuja-LaPointe (she/her): @Tahnee - yes!
01:31:42 Susan Lawrenz-Smith: Yes Thanee, they think it is an excuse. I remind them it gives the reader context.
01:32:26 Amanda Dye: I like the idea of changing that section to refer to experiences rather than disadvantages, as mentioned earlier. Much easier to convince a candidate that they have valuable experiences rather than asking them to describe them under the label of "disadvantage"
01:32:37 Dimple Patel: I like that Michael!
01:32:40 Tahnee Prokopow: Good advice Michael!
01:32:45 Celeste Crowe: Love that framing!
01:35:15 Ryan Gray, MD: Coin flip!
01:35:44 Varinia Grannum: Thank you to all the panelists for this opportunity!
01:35:45 Lisa Thomas: Thank you to the panelists too. This was great!
01:35:46 Deborah Gutman: Thank you!
01:35:49 Dija Selimi: Thank you for your time
01:35:51 Ryan Gray, MD: Thank you
01:35:51 Melissa Mellor: Thank you!
01:35:54 Liesel Copeland: Yes Dimple! I add my thanks
01:35:57 Nancy Dopke: Thank you!
01:35:59 Varinia Grannum: Yes please!
01:36:00 Rachel Grubbs: Thank you to the whole panel for your honesty and transparency!
01:36:00 Melissa Mellor: Yes!
01:36:00 Melissa Krajcovic: Thank you!
01:36:02 Deborah Gutman: Yes! More often
01:36:02 Rob Harrington: Thank you for your time and thoughts!!!
01:36:04 John Buckley: Amazing panel! Thank you. Very illuminating.
01:36:04 Laura Hetzler: YEs please ~ would love this!
01:36:05 Marc Counterman: Yes please!!
01:36:05 Erin Neal: Yes please!!
01:36:06 Maureen Dawson: Thanks very much!
01:36:06 Pauline Alnajjar: Thank you! This was great!!
01:36:06 Aisha Ali: Very helpful! Thank you for your time!
01:36:07 Anna Gilmore: This was great - thank you for your time! (and YES, we should do this more often) :)
01:36:08 Jennifer shendock: This was great- thank you!
01:36:08 Gregory Johnson: Thank you!
01:36:09 Polly Olson: Thank you for tremendous insight!
01:36:09 Nicholas Hall: ^^^
01:36:09 Carrie Meador-Bliss: Thank you!
01:36:09 Julie McNair: PLEASE!!!
01:36:10 Kiana Shiroma: Yes, please!!!!
01:36:11 Andrea Beaumont: Thank you! I would love if you all did this more often!
01:36:11 Jessica Woods: Love that idea!
01:36:12 Celeste Crowe: Thank you for your commitment to holistic review!
01:36:12 Katrina Keil: Thank you for your time and insights! We love to have accurate information to pass on to our students!
01:36:13 Victoria (Tori) Carrillo: Thank you! This was helpful!
01:36:13 Carol Hagan: This has been a very nice event - thanks all.
01:36:13 Gabriela Jakubowska: This panel has been immensely informative! thank you to the panelists
01:36:14 Diana Silva-Nidez: I agree with Christian
01:36:14 Kristen Labrecque: Yes, please!
01:36:15 Pauline Alnajjar: Agreed!
01:36:15 Lisa Thomas: I agree. Lets meet quarterly!
01:36:16 Marc Counterman: Utilize the All Access network Christian!
01:36:16 Melissa Hardy: That would be wonderful!
01:36:17 Mary Beth Connell: Thank you: more often would be fantastic!!
01:36:18 Susan Lawrenz-Smith: That would be great—more meetings and conversations!
01:36:19 Varinia Grannum: Absolutely!
01:36:19 Kathleen Maier: Thank you all so very helpful!
01:36:19 Cindy Seltzer: Thanks so much, this was great!
01:36:21 Liz Hanie: Many thanks!!!
01:36:22 Sarah Imam: Yes please!!!
01:36:27 Dana Rechtzigel: Thank you so much!
01:36:28 April French: We love debunking myths, too!
01:36:30 Khadijah Ojo: Thank you all so much! This was very helpful!
01:36:30 Regina Schurman: Yes, absolutely would love to do this more often!
01:36:31 Katie Wang: Yes, thank you!
01:36:31 Autumn Moser: Phenomenal session, thank you!
01:36:32 Gina Camello: That would be wonderful! Thanks to each of you...!
01:36:32 Lori Balantic: ^^^
01:36:32 Monica GuhaMajumdar: Thank You! It has truly been a wonderful panel.
01:36:33 Deborah Hendricks: Thank you so much. This has been very helpful. Yes, please keep doing this.
01:36:34 Dija Selimi: Same @michaelWoodson
01:36:36 Alyssa Perz: Thank you all for your time today and care when you evaluate the applicants of our students!
01:36:40 Anya Cruz: Thank you!
01:36:40 Sherise Hicks: Thank you!
01:36:41 Bo Kim: Thank you!
01:36:49 Jennifer Ericson: Thank you! More of this type of session would be fantastic.
01:36:52 Sarah Imam: Thank you so much. This has been a great learning experience
01:36:52 Sarah Berkowitz: This was amazing! Thank you!
01:36:54 Lori Balantic: Thank you, Zuri!
01:36:56 MJ Shroyer (she/her) Grinnell College: Thank you all so much!
01:36:59 Tahnee Prokopow: I accept your thank you! This is hard work and I'm at the time of the semester where I am ready for a good break! So this was inspirational ad helpful! So thank you!
01:37:00 Oona Ceder: Yes, that would be so helpful! Thank you to all of the presenters!
01:37:02 Christian Essman: Stay in touch:
01:37:02 Scott MacPhail: Thank you, this was very helpful.
01:37:06 Jane Byrnes: Excellent. This should be done regularly Incredibly helpful
01:37:07 Maureen Leong-Kee: Thank you!
01:37:09 Georgia Grey: Would love to have this more frequently!
01:37:19 Debi Swarner: Thanks panelists and hosts! This has been an awesome program. I agree with Michael and Christian that more of these sessions would be useful.
01:37:21 Julie McNair: Yale SOM hosts these RT on a recurring basis - so informative for students and admissions reps as well as consultants. PLEASE do this again!
01:37:22 Renata Gutierrez: I would love to have these types of panels more often! Thank you.
01:37:26 Kiana Shiroma: Thank you so much!!!
01:37:33 Cindy Seltzer: Can we get a copy of the recording?
01:37:33 Varinia Grannum: Would love to have DO schools present as well
01:37:34 Michelle Bulger: Thank you!
01:37:35 Kristi Weddige: Thank you!!
01:37:40 Jess Pfeffer: Thank you!
01:37:41 Carol Hagan: This was a very chill and easily accessible program!
01:37:47 James Johnson: Thank you!!!
01:37:48 Michael Woodson:
01:37:49 Alex Beck: Thank you!!
01:37:50 Julie McNair: Thank you for recording
01:37:52 Georgia Grey: Thank you!
01:37:53 Kristen Labrecque: Thank you!
01:37:53 Denise Cook-Snyder: Thank you!

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